RE: [ba-poker] Play or Fold???

["Sander, Warren" <warren.sander(deleted the rest)>]

call..
remember if utg and you both have the same amount of chips then you
split 6th and 5th.




Warren Sander
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ba-poker(deleted the rest) [mailto:owner-ba-poker(deleted the 
rest)] On
Behalf Of David S. Heller
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:27 AM
To: Poker
Subject: Re: [ba-poker] Play or Fold???


It depends, but not very much.  This is a limit tournament, and I think
it's
harder to catch up in limit than in no limit.  If all the other stack
sizes
are so big that you have no real chance of moving up beyond 5th, maybe
you
should call and hope the other little stack goes out here.  But the
difference between $750 and $940 isn't very large and you have a chance
to
quadruple your stack if the JJ holds up.  In most circumstances that
would
be enough to give you a chance to do even better.

I'd call.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Farrah" <nickfarrah(deleted the rest)>
To: "Poker" <ba-poker(deleted the rest)>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:21 PM
Subject: [ba-poker] Play or Fold???


You make the call . . .

I was playing in the Oaks limit hold 'em tournament today.  There are
six of
us left at the final table.  Sixth place pays $750; fifth place pays
$940 .
. . on up to $5000 for first.

Blinds are $1000/$2000; limits are $2000/$4000.

I'm in the SB with $1000 already in the pot for my blind and one more
$1000
chip in front of me.

UTG goes all in with $2000, i.e., he has the same amount of chips as I
do
and would have had to go all in either this hand or the next.  There's
one
other caller in late position.

I have pocket jacks.

If you were in this position, would you call or fold and hope to lock up
5th
place by doing so?

Thanks for the input; scroll down to see what happened.

Nick






























I was hoping not to have to make a decision like this, but, with no
raises
in front of me, I just couldn't fold pocket jacks, so I called the bet.
The
flop and turn were undercards and of no help to anyone.  The river was a
K
which paired up both the BB and the other active player.  UTG's hand was
worse than mine but since we both started the hand with two chips and
both
lost, they combined 5th and 6th place prizes and split them evenly, so I
won
$845.

Thinking about it afterwards, I realize that pocket jacks lose a lot of
their strength if you're out of ammunition and can't bet them after the
flop.  Also, the late position bettor had K, Q offsuit and may have
deliberately not raised in order to keep the BB in and increase the
chance
of knocking out me and UTG.