Re: [ba-poker] Bay 101 Drop vs Time

["David S. Heller" <david(deleted the rest)>]

I think you are correct.  Both Caro and Sklansky have written that a raked
game should be played more tightly than the same game if timed.  Rake favors
the tight player.  If the new, bad players continue to play too loose, the
game might become more, not less profitable if it shifts from time to rake.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Kittock" <james(deleted the rest)>
To: "John R. Grout" <j.grout(deleted the rest)>; <ba-poker(deleted the rest)>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ba-poker] Bay 101 Drop vs Time


> I have not heard anything as to "why"...
>
> With the combination of $4 drop per hand and the
> use of ShuffleMasters, I would estimate that they have
> nearly doubled the income per table, at least at $3/6
> and similar low limits.
>
> As for "how they get away with it", I blame the
> popularity of poker--the market will bear the
> higher price.
>
> Having said that, I've now put in a few hours at
> 3/6 under the new structure, and have tentatively
> concluded that the extra drop doesn't hurt a solid
> Specifically, if you're playing tight and only taking
> down a few big pots during a session, it is better to
> be charged $4/pot rather than $3/orbit.   To look at
> it another way, it costs $4/orbit to fold, rather than
> $7/orbit, which is a significant break for the tight
> player.
>
> On the other hand, I think the new structure is detrimental
> for the loose gamb00lers who tend to be in lots of pots, but
> I think that the cost is sufficiently "hidden" from them.
>
> For the most part, the games seem to be staying loose
> and juicy, so I think $3/6 is probably somewhat more
> beatable with the $4 flat rake than it was with the $3 live
> button charge--just as long as the fishies don't get taxed
> to the point that they swim away...
>
> --james
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John R. Grout" <j.grout(deleted the rest)>
> To: <ba-poker(deleted the rest)>
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 3:26 PM
> Subject: [ba-poker] Bay 101 Drop vs Time
>
>
> > Joe Francis <jfrancis(deleted the rest)> wrote:
> >
> >> I was told on Friday by an employee of Bay 101 that
> >> they just switched to dropping $4 from the pot on the
> >> 20-40 game, instead of having a time charge.  The
> >> higher limit games still have the time charge, I
> >> believe.
> >
> > When Foxwoods converted a bunch of limits from time to a
> > rake, they said it was "by popular demand".  Since it
> > raised their collection significantly, either the players
> > were idiots or the management was using player demand
> > as a cover.
> >
> > Did Bay 101 offer a cover story for this one?  They
> > didn't say anything in March for the $1 extra per pot
> > from $2-$4 HE and from Omaha.
> > -- 
> > John R. Grout
> > j.grout(deleted the rest)
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